Fitness questions and answers for May 8, 2007
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Form & Fitness Q & A
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Carrie Cheadle, MA (www.carriecheadle.com) is a Sports Psychology consultant who has dedicated her career to helping athletes of all ages and abilities perform to their potential. Carrie specialises in working with cyclists, in disciplines ranging from track racing to mountain biking. She holds a bachelors degree in Psychology from Sonoma State University as well as a masters degree in Sport Psychology from John F. Kennedy University.
Dave Palese (www.davepalese.com) is a USA Cycling licensed coach and masters' class road racer with 16 years' race experience. He coaches racers and riders of all abilities from his home in southern Maine, USA, where he lives with his wife Sheryl, daughter Molly, and two cats, Miranda and Mu-Mu.
Kelby Bethards, MD received a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Iowa State University (1994) before obtaining an M.D. from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 2000. Has been a racing cyclist 'on and off' for 20 years, and when time allows, he races Cat 3 and 35+. He is a team physician for two local Ft Collins, CO, teams, and currently works Family Practice in multiple settings: rural, urgent care, inpatient and the like.
Fiona Lockhart (www.trainright.com) is a USA Cycling Expert Coach, and holds certifications from USA Weightlifting (Sports Performance Coach), the National Strength and Conditioning Association (Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach), and the National Academy for Sports Nutrition (Primary Sports Nutritionist). She is the Sports Science Editor for Carmichael Training Systems, and has been working in the strength and conditioning and endurance sports fields for over 10 years; she's also a competitive mountain biker.
Eddie Monnier (www.velo-fit.com) is a USA Cycling certified Elite Coach and a Category II racer. He holds undergraduate degrees in anthropology (with departmental honors) and philosophy from Emory University and an MBA from The Wharton School of Business.
Eddie is a proponent of training with power. He coaches cyclists (track, road and mountain bike) of all abilities and with wide ranging goals (with and without power meters). He uses internet tools to coach riders from any geography.
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David Fleckenstein, MPT (www.physiopt.com) is a physical therapist practicing in Boise, ID. His clients have included World and U.S. champions, Olympic athletes and numerous professional athletes. He received his B.S. in Biology/Genetics from Penn State and his Master's degree in Physical Therapy from Emory University. He specializes in manual medicine treatment and specific retraining of spine and joint stabilization musculature. He is a former Cat I road racer and Expert mountain biker.
Since 1986 Steve Hogg (www.cyclefitcentre.com) has owned and operated Pedal Pushers, a cycle shop specialising in rider positioning and custom bicycles. In that time he has positioned riders from all cycling disciplines and of all levels of ability with every concievable cycling problem.They include World and National champions at one end of the performance spectrum to amputees and people with disabilities at the other end.
Current riders that Steve has positioned include Davitamon-Lotto's Nick Gates, Discovery's Hayden Roulston, National Road Series champion, Jessica Ridder and National and State Time Trial champion, Peter Milostic.
Pamela Hinton has a bachelor's degree in Molecular Biology and a doctoral degree in Nutritional Sciences, both from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She did postdoctoral training at Cornell University and is now an assistant professor of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Missouri-Columbia where she studies the effects of iron deficiency on adaptations to endurance training and the consequences of exercise-associated changes in menstrual function on bone health.
Pam was an All-American in track while at the UW. She started cycling competitively in 2003 and is the defending Missouri State Road Champion. Pam writes a nutrition column for Giana Roberge's Team Speed Queen Newsletter.
Dario Fredrick (www.wholeathlete.com) is an exercise physiologist and head coach for Whole Athlete™. He is a former category 1 & semi-pro MTB racer. Dario holds a masters degree in exercise science and a bachelors in sport psychology.
Scott Saifer (www.wenzelcoaching.com) has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and has personally coached over 300 athletes of all levels in his 10 years of coaching with Wenzel Coaching.
Kendra Wenzel (www.wenzelcoaching.com) is a head coach with Wenzel Coaching with 17 years of racing and coaching experience and is coauthor of the book Bike Racing 101.
Steve Owens (www.coloradopremiertraining.com) is a USA Cycling certified coach, exercise physiologist and owner of Colorado Premier Training. Steve has worked with both the United States Olympic Committee and Guatemalan Olympic Committee as an Exercise Physiologist. He holds a B.S. in Exercise & Sports Science and currently works with multiple national champions, professionals and World Cup level cyclists.
Through his highly customized online training format, Steve and his handpicked team of coaches at Colorado Premier Training work with cyclists and multisport athletes around the world.
Brett Aitken (www.cycle2max.com) is a Sydney Olympic gold medalist. Born in Adelaide, Australia in 1971, Brett got into cycling through the cult sport of cycle speedway before crossing over into road and track racing. Since winning Olympic gold in the Madison with Scott McGrory, Brett has been working on his coaching business and his www.cycle2max.com website.
Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com) is Head Coach of Richard Stern Training, a Level 3 Coach with the Association of British Cycling Coaches, a Sports Scientist, and a writer. He has been professionally coaching cyclists and triathletes since 1998 at all levels from professional to recreational. He is a leading expert in coaching with power output and all power meters. Richard has been a competitive cyclist for 20 years
Andy Bloomer (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach and sport scientist with Richard Stern Training. He is a member of the Association of British Cycling Coaches (ABCC) and a member of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES). In his role as Exercise Physiologist at Staffordshire University Sports Performance Centre, he has conducted physiological testing and offered training and coaching advice to athletes from all sports for the past 4 years. Andy has been a competitive cyclist for many years.
Michael Smartt (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach with Richard Stern Training. He holds a Masters degree in exercise physiology and is USA Cycling Expert Coach. Michael has been a competitive cyclist for over 10 years and has experience coaching road and off-road cyclists, triathletes and Paralympians.
Kim Morrow (www.elitefitcoach.com) has competed as a Professional Cyclist and Triathlete, is a certified USA Cycling Elite Coach, a 4-time U.S. Masters National Road Race Champion, and a Fitness Professional.
Her coaching group, eliteFITcoach, is based out of the Southeastern United States, although they coach athletes across North America. Kim also owns MyEnduranceCoach.com, a resource for cyclists, multisport athletes & endurance coaches around the globe, specializing in helping cycling and multisport athletes find a coach.
Arch cleats
Arch cleats #2
Fitting new cleats
Which day to rest?
Climbing speed
Herniated disc
More on midfoot cleat position
Speedplay adapter plate
Sprinting form
Warming up for races
Arch cleats
I read your post last week about the cleat under the foot arch and it was very interesting. I've heard Mr Heine and his cleat positioning and have been tempted to give it a try on several occasions. Shortly after reading your article I googled 'Arch Cleats' to see how far one should try and move the cleat back. In that quest I found Joe Friel's blog where he praises the arch cleat position. In Joe's blog Mr Heine commented on purchasing adapter plates and/or just moving the cleat back as far as you can. Here is what he said:
"I do not advise to move the cleats back by 13 mm from the metatarsal/traditional position as in fact this arrangement may result in disturbances of the muscle chain. What I do promote is to build a shoe where you position your cleat under the tarsometatarsal joint, the midfoot, as this is the only position where the body automatically takes full advantage of the huge power of quads and hamstrings, therefore pedal way more efficiently." -GH
I understand why Mr Heine would suggest cleat under the tarsometatarsal joint is necessary to take full advantage of the position, but I am confused by why Mr Heine would suggest the cleat positioned somewhere between the 1st metatarsal and the tarsometatarsal joint (TMT) is bad for the kinetic chain. I understand that you are inexperienced with arch/cleat position, but since you have spoken with Mr Heine I was wondering if you might have insight into his thinking and how the kinetic chain becomes disturbed?
Also since you are in possession of a pair of biomac shoes I was wonder if you could share with us (Cyclingnews readers that is) approximately where the cleat is located? On my foot the mid-point is further forward than the TMT joint, so is the cleat positioned under the TMT joint or closer to midfoot? Approximately, how far behind your first metatarsal is the cleat?
When I palpate my TMT it is almost 8cm behind the head of the 1st metatarsal and is 5.5cm at midfoot. The 2.5 cm back that my cleat (I'm sure most people's cleats only go back 1cm) can move is a long way off from the TMT joint or even midfoot. If this is the case, this seems like important info since so many Cyclingnews readers seems intent on trying this cleat position and especially since Mr Heine is suggesting that getting it wrong may be detrimental.
Thanks
Michael Kemp
East Lansing, MI, USA
Steve Hogg replies:
Arch cleats #2
Following your latest Fitness Q&A article about the very special cleat position those Swiss-made Biomac shoes can offer, I'd like to post a question:
Do you recommend using the arch cleat position on one bike (e.g. the road bike) while leaving others (MTB etc.) unchanged?
Having a large stable filled with a wide variety of bikes - from road racing rigs over dual-suspension machines to classic rigid mountain bikes, this could be a problem for me ...
I could visit Biomac at the end of this month, working as a bike guide in that region, and would like to test ride their shoes and position.
Greetings from Germany,
Chris Deger
Steve Hogg replies:
Fitting new cleats
I recently bought some new cleats and pedals (look Keo) and got the bike shop to fix the cleats for me. As this was being done the fitter told me that a lot of guys who race have the cleats fixed towards the heel of the shoe. This seemed a bit counter intuitive but I did not argue.
I have since noticed that if I ride with out cleats I almost ride on my toes. Hence I have started to move the cleats forward. (I suspect that this is better)
This begs the question - is there a "proper" place to position the cleats and is there greater mechanical advantage in having them towards the toes?
Jim
Steve Hogg replies:
Which day to rest?
I'm at a loss on how to determine which day of the week to rest (stay off) the bike.
I'm 53 and ride between 200 and 300 miles a week. My hard days are either Monday and Thursday or Tuesday and Thursday with weekends reserved for tough club rides or racing.
My work requires that I travel and when I do travel I spend a minimum of two excruciatingly boring hours on the stationary bikes at the hotel gym. Lately I'm feeling very drained with only a day or two a month in which I feel good on the bike.
Usually I do some type of ride every day. It is very difficult for me to not train every day.
Thanks
Paul Kasarda
Dave Palese replies:
Climbing speed
I've been riding for three years and am finally feeling that I can hang with more experienced riders on flats (can hold 23-24mph solo for an hour plus). Trouble is that I struggle on climbs (especially short ones) with the same guys I can beat on a flat.
I'm 25 yrs old, ride twice a week for 3-4 hours and am on the trainer during the week 3-4 times for 30-45 minutes each night. I'm 6'0" and 163lbs.
Other than a few extra pounds, I think the culprit may be cadence (I'm most comfortable pushing a big gear at ~70-75revs), but am wondering what tips you might have to train towards better climbing speed?
Austin
Dave Palese replies:
Herniated disc
What is your experience with bicycling and reducing damage to an L4-L5 herniated disc? I'm an avid cyclist and I race mountain bikes and road bikes, road more lately. I've been having yearly injuries which are continuous set backs and it appears much of which is due to an arthritic disc that is herniated L4-L5.
I'm 36 yrs old, male, 6 ft 170lb and was riding 200 miles per week. I used to have minor sciatic pain seven years ago down my right leg and that went away after a couple of months of rest in the winter. It's fairly cold here in the winters of Rochester, NY so I used to run during the winter (much warmer than biking outside) to keep my cardio fitness up, that is until getting Achilles tendonitis in my right leg two years in a row, so I stopped running for more than a year and got some very warm gear and biked the last winter.
I also believe this tendonitis was at least partially due to the sciatic nerve issue causing my legs to be extremely tight, with next to no relief from stretching and/or massage. I injured my back bending over and lifting too much 20 months ago and have since re-injured it three more times, once swinging the heavy bat in a cricket game, once pulling a wheelie on my mountain bike and the last time snowboarding - the actual severe pain from which did not come to fruition until riding my bike a few days later and simply reaching up to itch my head after doing some sprints. This last time was also by far the most painful and it took until this injury to get an MRI.
I was hoping I would recover, but most of the pain has left my back and is only in my left sciatic and it's very uncomfortable standing and somewhat sitting, but not at all leaned over on a bicycle. I got to look at the MRI recently and it was very easy to see the arthritic disc (black) and the herniation protruding into the nerve root on my left side that is causing me pain.
I've been going to physical therapy and the therapist has determined my core is very strong already, although my hamstring flexibility is poor, which by the way I was working on daily before my last injury. He also has given me stretches to do which involve bending backwards, while laying on the floor and standing up.
The theory is that this will push the disc to the front of my body and away from the nerve roots in the back - exactly the opposite of leaning over on a race bike. I just got a steroid shot to the disc at the nerve root and I hope that reduces the swelling and helps it heal - it's been one day, with about 50% improvement so far.
I stopped riding a week ago to try and give this a chance to heal even though it's killing me not to ride and watch everyone get faster as I loose fitness, but both the therapist and one of the doctors advised not riding at least for a while. I know that if I can keep my hips rotated forward during riding it will keep my back more straight, but I find this very difficult.
For one I get to tired trying to hold that pose, and secondly my groin goes numb even with the best seat I've found so far - specialized taupe. My body is already configured with an extreme forward tilt pelvis and tilting it more forward is very uncomfortable on the bike - so much that I'm numb within five miles when doing a time trial, so I don't do those anymore.
Please help. I'm dying to race, but if I do, is surgery going to be inevitable sooner than later?
Pete
Dave Fleckenstein replies:
More on midfoot cleat position
I read Steve Hogg's long (thanks Steve!) reply re Biomac and mid-food cleat position on Cyclingnews and with great interest! Is this the next big revolution in pro-cycling ranks?
I can not see how even a 2-3% increase in performance is something ProTour riders will forgo. The sprinters might not like it (jump speed loss?) where position and acceleration is critical when you jump in final 200 metres. But otherwise, it looks like a sure winner to me, perhaps for TT/triathlon riders at first before the peloton catches on.
The huge toe overlap is a worry (is it perhaps just mental hang-up only?) but even with much slacker HTA (69-70 degrees) I think this big toe overlap is a permanent reality. Commuters won't like it. High price? Once other cycling-shoe-makers catch on, the shoe price will surely drop dramatically. All new-tech first comes at huge price.
Anyhow, my questions:
Based on your last ~5 weeks midfoot-cleat riding findings would you now be as precise with your cleat placement recommendations or just simply suggest that people slide their cleats as far back as their pedals/shoes allow, instead of saying for size 45 you need 10mm back and size 43 you need 9mm etc?
It is not much easier to slide them all the way back, instead of (in)correctly measuring the centre of ball of foot relation to pedal axle, as I have tried once or twice. Example: I have size 45 Shimano R151 shoes, I simply moved my SPD-SL Ultegra pedal cleats all the way back and it feels pretty good (good enough?).
I would like to read more about positives and negatives of midfoot cleat setup. This set-up can be a can of re-positioning worms, as I see it. Just lowering your saddle say ~30mm means big changes to front end - i.e. remove all the spacers and even get -17 degree down facing stem just to maintain acceptable saddle to bar the drop? And what about those who only have 10-20mm of spacers now? Get a smaller frame with shorter head tube and longer stem?
And the saddle fore/aft position is affected by 30mm saddle drop (~10mm further back, possible needs new seat post), as well as reach, balance, etc. In my case my FSA K-Force Carbon Lite seat post won't even go 30mm further into my seat tube due to its shape (slightly thicker tube on the top section). In summary, I guess my question is more about positioning, frame and component traps due to midfoot cleat.
Yuri Budilov
Melbourne, Australia
Steve Hogg replies:
Speedplay adapter plate
Steve Hogg has mentioned several times that there's an optional base plate for the 3-hole Speedplay cleats that provides additional rearward positioning. Is such an adapter necessary with the 4-hole cleat?
Dave Krenik
Steve Hogg replies:
Sprinting form
I am a cat.3 female racer (37), and I've been racing for several years, although life events always seem to conspire against me actually racing for an entire season (e.g. arrival of child, lymes disease, hit by a car, work commitments). I'm hoping to race all season this year (fingers crossed) for the first time.
This season, I've started off well. At a local Tuesday night crit, I placed fourth, which was great fun and exciting. At the end of the race, the cat 2 woman, whom I nipped at the line, complimented me on my sprint... but...
Her "but" was that she thought I was too "forward" on my bike. She told me that if I were to shift my position back, I would have a stronger sprint. I've never had anyone comment on the form of my sprint. I love to sprint, and I love it when I sprint well. I really like that "almost puking" feeling of a really hard effort.
Anyway, here's my question. Can you describe for me "good sprinting form"? I've been experimenting this week with moving my position back, and I do feel like I'm getting more power and even a little more control over the bike. My upcoming experiment will be the crit this coming Tuesday. Any advice would be most appreciated!
Oh - by the way. In the end, she beat me (she was third overall) because she had more points than me. But I still feel good about beating her in the final sprint.
My bike is an Opal Orbea. The guy I often ride with and who owns the shop from which I purchased the bike has me in a slightly less aggressive position than I was on my old bike (differential between the bars and the saddle is less extreme). I find myself comfortable in the drops etc.
I've asthma. I'm about 5'7" and around 133 pounds or so. I'm happy to "e-discuss" anything that might help me improve my sprinting.
Thanks in advance,
Lee
Dave Palese replies:
Warming up for races
Hi, I am a 37 year-old male riding 100-120 miles a week, do a little racing during the season and do the fast paced group rides. I was wondering about the warm up process and what it is that is needed to perform well in a race. I know the basics but say for a criterium where the start is fast right off the bat do you want to warm up to the same level that you will be racing?
I ask because when I do group rides that are around 45 miles out and back with two sprints, one out and one back, I usually really feel it on the way out if I make any efforts (usually lack of oxygen). Then on the way back I feel about twice as strong. The ride does start slowly so there is a little warm up period.
Before a race like a criterium should I be warming up to a point comparable to the condition my body will be in during the race? At races I always wish I had just done half a weekend group ride before hand, I am never motivated enough to do this on a trainer before hand. Or is this slow starting a result of age or training?
Brian
Sacramento, CA
Dave Palese replies: