Fitness questions and answers for June 28, 2004
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Form & Fitness Q & A
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Carrie Cheadle, MA (www.carriecheadle.com) is a Sports Psychology consultant who has dedicated her career to helping athletes of all ages and abilities perform to their potential. Carrie specialises in working with cyclists, in disciplines ranging from track racing to mountain biking. She holds a bachelors degree in Psychology from Sonoma State University as well as a masters degree in Sport Psychology from John F. Kennedy University.
Dave Palese (www.davepalese.com) is a USA Cycling licensed coach and masters' class road racer with 16 years' race experience. He coaches racers and riders of all abilities from his home in southern Maine, USA, where he lives with his wife Sheryl, daughter Molly, and two cats, Miranda and Mu-Mu.
Kelby Bethards, MD received a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Iowa State University (1994) before obtaining an M.D. from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 2000. Has been a racing cyclist 'on and off' for 20 years, and when time allows, he races Cat 3 and 35+. He is a team physician for two local Ft Collins, CO, teams, and currently works Family Practice in multiple settings: rural, urgent care, inpatient and the like.
Fiona Lockhart (www.trainright.com) is a USA Cycling Expert Coach, and holds certifications from USA Weightlifting (Sports Performance Coach), the National Strength and Conditioning Association (Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach), and the National Academy for Sports Nutrition (Primary Sports Nutritionist). She is the Sports Science Editor for Carmichael Training Systems, and has been working in the strength and conditioning and endurance sports fields for over 10 years; she's also a competitive mountain biker.
Eddie Monnier (www.velo-fit.com) is a USA Cycling certified Elite Coach and a Category II racer. He holds undergraduate degrees in anthropology (with departmental honors) and philosophy from Emory University and an MBA from The Wharton School of Business.
Eddie is a proponent of training with power. He coaches cyclists (track, road and mountain bike) of all abilities and with wide ranging goals (with and without power meters). He uses internet tools to coach riders from any geography.
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David Fleckenstein, MPT (www.physiopt.com) is a physical therapist practicing in Boise, ID. His clients have included World and U.S. champions, Olympic athletes and numerous professional athletes. He received his B.S. in Biology/Genetics from Penn State and his Master's degree in Physical Therapy from Emory University. He specializes in manual medicine treatment and specific retraining of spine and joint stabilization musculature. He is a former Cat I road racer and Expert mountain biker.
Since 1986 Steve Hogg (www.cyclefitcentre.com) has owned and operated Pedal Pushers, a cycle shop specialising in rider positioning and custom bicycles. In that time he has positioned riders from all cycling disciplines and of all levels of ability with every concievable cycling problem.They include World and National champions at one end of the performance spectrum to amputees and people with disabilities at the other end.
Current riders that Steve has positioned include Davitamon-Lotto's Nick Gates, Discovery's Hayden Roulston, National Road Series champion, Jessica Ridder and National and State Time Trial champion, Peter Milostic.
Pamela Hinton has a bachelor's degree in Molecular Biology and a doctoral degree in Nutritional Sciences, both from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She did postdoctoral training at Cornell University and is now an assistant professor of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Missouri-Columbia where she studies the effects of iron deficiency on adaptations to endurance training and the consequences of exercise-associated changes in menstrual function on bone health.
Pam was an All-American in track while at the UW. She started cycling competitively in 2003 and is the defending Missouri State Road Champion. Pam writes a nutrition column for Giana Roberge's Team Speed Queen Newsletter.
Dario Fredrick (www.wholeathlete.com) is an exercise physiologist and head coach for Whole Athlete™. He is a former category 1 & semi-pro MTB racer. Dario holds a masters degree in exercise science and a bachelors in sport psychology.
Scott Saifer (www.wenzelcoaching.com) has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and has personally coached over 300 athletes of all levels in his 10 years of coaching with Wenzel Coaching.
Kendra Wenzel (www.wenzelcoaching.com) is a head coach with Wenzel Coaching with 17 years of racing and coaching experience and is coauthor of the book Bike Racing 101.
Steve Owens (www.coloradopremiertraining.com) is a USA Cycling certified coach, exercise physiologist and owner of Colorado Premier Training. Steve has worked with both the United States Olympic Committee and Guatemalan Olympic Committee as an Exercise Physiologist. He holds a B.S. in Exercise & Sports Science and currently works with multiple national champions, professionals and World Cup level cyclists.
Through his highly customized online training format, Steve and his handpicked team of coaches at Colorado Premier Training work with cyclists and multisport athletes around the world.
Brett Aitken (www.cycle2max.com) is a Sydney Olympic gold medalist. Born in Adelaide, Australia in 1971, Brett got into cycling through the cult sport of cycle speedway before crossing over into road and track racing. Since winning Olympic gold in the Madison with Scott McGrory, Brett has been working on his coaching business and his www.cycle2max.com website.
Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com) is Head Coach of Richard Stern Training, a Level 3 Coach with the Association of British Cycling Coaches, a Sports Scientist, and a writer. He has been professionally coaching cyclists and triathletes since 1998 at all levels from professional to recreational. He is a leading expert in coaching with power output and all power meters. Richard has been a competitive cyclist for 20 years
Andy Bloomer (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach and sport scientist with Richard Stern Training. He is a member of the Association of British Cycling Coaches (ABCC) and a member of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES). In his role as Exercise Physiologist at Staffordshire University Sports Performance Centre, he has conducted physiological testing and offered training and coaching advice to athletes from all sports for the past 4 years. Andy has been a competitive cyclist for many years.
Michael Smartt (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach with Richard Stern Training. He holds a Masters degree in exercise physiology and is USA Cycling Expert Coach. Michael has been a competitive cyclist for over 10 years and has experience coaching road and off-road cyclists, triathletes and Paralympians.
Kim Morrow (www.elitefitcoach.com) has competed as a Professional Cyclist and Triathlete, is a certified USA Cycling Elite Coach, a 4-time U.S. Masters National Road Race Champion, and a Fitness Professional.
Her coaching group, eliteFITcoach, is based out of the Southeastern United States, although they coach athletes across North America. Kim also owns MyEnduranceCoach.com, a resource for cyclists, multisport athletes & endurance coaches around the globe, specializing in helping cycling and multisport athletes find a coach.
Back problems
Balancing work & training
Coke
Time to respond to training stress
Water on board?
Carbs and protein
Thalassemia
Blood test
Back problems
I am 35 years old male. 70kg, strengths are sprinting and climbing, been racing for only a couple of years. Made A grade earlier this year, train about 400km per week.
I have a history of lower back problems including 3 operations to remove lumbar disc prolapses. The last operation was only a couple of months ago and has forced me to take some time off the bike. I'm just starting 15 mins per day on the stationary trainer now, on the advice of my surgeon.
I've asked quite a few surgeons, physios and GPs if serious cycling (e.g. racing at A grade level) is good or bad for the lower back, in particular, my condition. As this is a very common condition I thought it would be easy to get an answer, but, unfortunately, this has not been the case.
The general view seems to be that light to moderate exercise / cycling is good for the back, but being in the drops, riding hard, and doing lots of kms, may be bad for it, due to the bending at the lumbar vertebrae. Can anyone tell me, is this the case? Is it likely that returning to serious cycling will be bad for my back in the long term, and maybe even the short term?
I want to get back into serious racing, but if it's going to be bad for my back then I guess I'll have to consider 'retiring'.
Stuart Cathcart
Australia
Dave Fleckenstein replies:
Balancing work & training
I am 17, male, and started racing mountain bikes in the Sport class this year. I laid down a good base, about 1000 miles and then started my build phase and racing. I just finished up my A race and am returning to base to rebuild some strength and prepare for my next race at the end of July which is a 60 miler with 11k of climbing. In school, I had no problem feeling good at the end going out for a ride. I trained consistently, overreached correctly sometimes, and didn't go off the deep end. I used Friel's training bible to help me train really smart.
However, now that school is out I need to some serious help. I work for my dad who owns a family stone yard business. I am on my feet, lifting heavy stuff sometimes, from 7:30 to 4. I drink lots and eat a high amount of quality foods. Unfortunately, work has its tolls. I just started working this week and have noticed that on my first ride I could barely get my heart rate up to 150 in the flats (my LT is 180).
Today, I got on my trainer to do force reps and after my warm up I almost fell off I was so exhausted. I am very unhappy. I really think I can do well in racing. I know this is only my first year but I am training consistently and getting good results from it. Work is getting in the way.
I have a feeling this pattern of exhaustion/poor ride results is going to continue unless i do one of a few things. One is to just do recovery rides on the week and do intervals/long intense rides on the weekends. The other is to ride before work and rest afterwards. The other is to work less hours. The last is to get a different job. The business is a very important family thing that is hard to explain. I can't really imagine working anywhere else, somewhere where I'd be sitting on my butt all day (which would be a good thing for training though).
I would really appreciate help in the decision process and making adjustments to my training.
Harry Precourt
Sudbury, MA
Scott Saifer replies:
Coke
A question about the article on soda pop as a drink while riding. Although I do believe all the data presented about absorption I still have a question. If it is such a bad choice why do all or almost all the pro riders in Europe (I have been over to watch races and seen the amount of use with my own eyes) drink Coca Cola as their choice for drinks while riding and afterwards. I tried to count how many a day these guys are drinking and it is a lot. These guys ride/race everyday and consume at least a few cokes a stage. If the absorption is so bad that you recommend something else - why do the best riders in the world, with the best nutritionist and doctors allow them to use such a poor choice for glucose and rehydration? Based on what I have seen it seems to be the best choice of beverage to consume while riding and right afterwards. I know they do drink other drinks while riding but they sure do drink a lot of cokes. I get so tired of hearing everyone say not to drink soda and how horrible it is for you but when cycling elites use them everyday it can't be too bad.
Brannon Amtower
Pam Hinton replies:
Time to respond to training stress
I'm a 25 yr old Cat 4 racer with only about fifteen races under my belt. I began riding the bike about a year ago, and I began training more seriously this past October. In the spring I competed in my first race (collegiate Men's D in the Eastern Conference) and have been racing since then with a break after the end of the collegiate season before getting into my first USCF races.
My question is this: how many days, generally speaking, does it take for the body to grow stronger from training stress? I realize there are many variables--amount of sleep, whether one is training through and adding more stress, nutrition, life stress, etc. Let me contextualize this better. (It's too late now to do anything differently, but I'll know for the future). I am doing a 4 day stage race that begins in ten days. Three days ago, I had planned to block together two or three high-intensity, high-volume training days and then do only recovery and aerobic rides from one week out until the day before the race when I would do an "opener." I am wondering whether the training I do seven to ten days before the race will actually make me stronger (assuming I rest well) before I begin the race. Is there an average amount of time the body needs to recuperate and strengthen? I know that when people do two week crash cycles, it takes almost two weeks of recovery for the body to fully respond and strengthen. What about "regular" training cycles?
Zachary Hoover
Scott Saifer replies:
Water on board?
I really enjoy Pam Hinton's extended responses to nutrition questions. My question involves the ubiquitous advice to have a drink with 6-8% carbs, etc. I only drink water and rely on food for my carbs/protein mix and electrolytes. The various sports drinks just don't work for me. Water is always appetizing, no matter the near-death experience currently underway, and I can always choke down real food.
I eat fig newtons and bagel sandwiches (with a little lean pork or chicken) and the ever yummy Clif bars. I measure salt onto the sandwiches during prep for rides over 3 hours (~1 gm/hr), where experience shows I need electrolyte replacement. I like keeping the food and hydration separate so I can fine tune either as I ride, depending on how hot it is, how far I'm going and how I feel (feed me now!). I have rules of thumb about how much I need of everything per hour, and keep learning as I go so I'm not shooting in the dark on the target century or performance event du jour.
Is there any performance advantage/disadvantage to the water only approach? Almost everyone I ride with have something green or pink or whatever in their bottles and while I'm munching away on my real food, I do wonder if it's marketing or if I'm missing something.
Darrel Stickler
San Mateo, California USA
Scott Saifer replies;
Carbs and protein
What are the advantages and disadvantages of eating both carbohydrates and protein together or should they be eaten separately?
Patrick
Pam Hinton replies:
Thalassemia
I don't know if you could answer this regarding low red blood cell counts, hematocrit and hemoglobin low numbers. I have a physical once a year for work so have 7 years worth of data, each revealing low rbc counts. I have thalassemia so am blessed with permanent low blood cell counts. I am 36, 6'1", 195 lbs. somewhat healthy. I snow ski 35+ times a year, water ski and mountain bike with a little road riding. Looking at getting into road riding more seriously. Is there anything I can do to offset this? I don't give blood because of this. I will have to check to see about the ferritin levels in the liver and if they are reported. I was told to stay away from iron supplements because they could cause me stomach problems. I haven't run across a doc that has any experience in thalassemia. Any suggestions?
Steve Owens replies:
So, there are 4 different types of the disorder - alpha, beta; each with their own subsets, and also E beta and Sickle Beta. It will be important for you to try to determine which of these types you have and also its severity. I'm under the impression that you have a mild form of the blood disorder being as athletic as you have portrayed. For one, you should not give blood (as you state you do not) because it is not uncommon for someone with Thalassemia to have a hematocrit (red blood cell) level of 20-25% (normal values per ACSM guidelines are 40-52% males, 26-48% females). Secondly, common treatments of this disorder (depending on the degree of the disorder) are transfusions. With this, you need to be aware of iron toxicity. You should talk to a doctor about this.
You said you haven't run into a doctor that has experience with thalassemia, but I would encourage you to actively seek out a doctor that knows blood disorders. The more educated you are with this disorder, the better you can live with it. I'm not an expert in blood diseases and disorders but merely have worked with an athlete that has Thalassemia. It is possible for someone like yourself to compete and be moderately competitive, so don't loose hope. My suggestion would be to stay at low altitudes and possibly look into track cycling or events that have a more anaerobic component over aerobic. Reducing or eliminating the aerobic component of your sport will bring you (competitively) to just about the same levels as anyone else. It's something to consider.
Blood test
I have seen a few references here to the impact of donating a pint of blood on performance. I am wondering if two vials of blood drawn for lab tests two hours before a 10 mile time trial could account for a difference of about 15 seconds (for a time under 22 minutes.) I am 6' and 155 lbs.
I know there are myriad other factors which could account for it but I'm wondering if it is plausible that a loss of this relatively small amount of blood could have an impact.
Colman O'Connor
Boston, MA
Scott Saifer replies: