Fitness questions and answers for June 26
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Form & Fitness Q & A
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Carrie Cheadle, MA (www.carriecheadle.com) is a Sports Psychology consultant who has dedicated her career to helping athletes of all ages and abilities perform to their potential. Carrie specialises in working with cyclists, in disciplines ranging from track racing to mountain biking. She holds a bachelors degree in Psychology from Sonoma State University as well as a masters degree in Sport Psychology from John F. Kennedy University.
Dave Palese (www.davepalese.com) is a USA Cycling licensed coach and masters' class road racer with 16 years' race experience. He coaches racers and riders of all abilities from his home in southern Maine, USA, where he lives with his wife Sheryl, daughter Molly, and two cats, Miranda and Mu-Mu.
Kelby Bethards, MD received a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Iowa State University (1994) before obtaining an M.D. from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 2000. Has been a racing cyclist 'on and off' for 20 years, and when time allows, he races Cat 3 and 35+. He is a team physician for two local Ft Collins, CO, teams, and currently works Family Practice in multiple settings: rural, urgent care, inpatient and the like.
Fiona Lockhart (www.trainright.com) is a USA Cycling Expert Coach, and holds certifications from USA Weightlifting (Sports Performance Coach), the National Strength and Conditioning Association (Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach), and the National Academy for Sports Nutrition (Primary Sports Nutritionist). She is the Sports Science Editor for Carmichael Training Systems, and has been working in the strength and conditioning and endurance sports fields for over 10 years; she's also a competitive mountain biker.
Eddie Monnier (www.velo-fit.com) is a USA Cycling certified Elite Coach and a Category II racer. He holds undergraduate degrees in anthropology (with departmental honors) and philosophy from Emory University and an MBA from The Wharton School of Business.
Eddie is a proponent of training with power. He coaches cyclists (track, road and mountain bike) of all abilities and with wide ranging goals (with and without power meters). He uses internet tools to coach riders from any geography.
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David Fleckenstein, MPT (www.physiopt.com) is a physical therapist practicing in Boise, ID. His clients have included World and U.S. champions, Olympic athletes and numerous professional athletes. He received his B.S. in Biology/Genetics from Penn State and his Master's degree in Physical Therapy from Emory University. He specializes in manual medicine treatment and specific retraining of spine and joint stabilization musculature. He is a former Cat I road racer and Expert mountain biker.
Since 1986 Steve Hogg (www.cyclefitcentre.com) has owned and operated Pedal Pushers, a cycle shop specialising in rider positioning and custom bicycles. In that time he has positioned riders from all cycling disciplines and of all levels of ability with every concievable cycling problem.They include World and National champions at one end of the performance spectrum to amputees and people with disabilities at the other end.
Current riders that Steve has positioned include Davitamon-Lotto's Nick Gates, Discovery's Hayden Roulston, National Road Series champion, Jessica Ridder and National and State Time Trial champion, Peter Milostic.
Pamela Hinton has a bachelor's degree in Molecular Biology and a doctoral degree in Nutritional Sciences, both from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She did postdoctoral training at Cornell University and is now an assistant professor of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Missouri-Columbia where she studies the effects of iron deficiency on adaptations to endurance training and the consequences of exercise-associated changes in menstrual function on bone health.
Pam was an All-American in track while at the UW. She started cycling competitively in 2003 and is the defending Missouri State Road Champion. Pam writes a nutrition column for Giana Roberge's Team Speed Queen Newsletter.
Dario Fredrick (www.wholeathlete.com) is an exercise physiologist and head coach for Whole Athlete™. He is a former category 1 & semi-pro MTB racer. Dario holds a masters degree in exercise science and a bachelors in sport psychology.
Scott Saifer (www.wenzelcoaching.com) has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and has personally coached over 300 athletes of all levels in his 10 years of coaching with Wenzel Coaching.
Kendra Wenzel (www.wenzelcoaching.com) is a head coach with Wenzel Coaching with 17 years of racing and coaching experience and is coauthor of the book Bike Racing 101.
Steve Owens (www.coloradopremiertraining.com) is a USA Cycling certified coach, exercise physiologist and owner of Colorado Premier Training. Steve has worked with both the United States Olympic Committee and Guatemalan Olympic Committee as an Exercise Physiologist. He holds a B.S. in Exercise & Sports Science and currently works with multiple national champions, professionals and World Cup level cyclists.
Through his highly customized online training format, Steve and his handpicked team of coaches at Colorado Premier Training work with cyclists and multisport athletes around the world.
Brett Aitken (www.cycle2max.com) is a Sydney Olympic gold medalist. Born in Adelaide, Australia in 1971, Brett got into cycling through the cult sport of cycle speedway before crossing over into road and track racing. Since winning Olympic gold in the Madison with Scott McGrory, Brett has been working on his coaching business and his www.cycle2max.com website.
Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com) is Head Coach of Richard Stern Training, a Level 3 Coach with the Association of British Cycling Coaches, a Sports Scientist, and a writer. He has been professionally coaching cyclists and triathletes since 1998 at all levels from professional to recreational. He is a leading expert in coaching with power output and all power meters. Richard has been a competitive cyclist for 20 years
Andy Bloomer (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach and sport scientist with Richard Stern Training. He is a member of the Association of British Cycling Coaches (ABCC) and a member of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES). In his role as Exercise Physiologist at Staffordshire University Sports Performance Centre, he has conducted physiological testing and offered training and coaching advice to athletes from all sports for the past 4 years. Andy has been a competitive cyclist for many years.
Michael Smartt (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach with Richard Stern Training. He holds a Masters degree in exercise physiology and is USA Cycling Expert Coach. Michael has been a competitive cyclist for over 10 years and has experience coaching road and off-road cyclists, triathletes and Paralympians.
Kim Morrow (www.elitefitcoach.com) has competed as a Professional Cyclist and Triathlete, is a certified USA Cycling Elite Coach, a 4-time U.S. Masters National Road Race Champion, and a Fitness Professional.
Her coaching group, eliteFITcoach, is based out of the Southeastern United States, although they coach athletes across North America. Kim also owns MyEnduranceCoach.com, a resource for cyclists, multisport athletes & endurance coaches around the globe, specializing in helping cycling and multisport athletes find a coach.
Roadkill Worries
Singulair and EIA
Cleat position for track
Achilles and knee pain
Strabismus
Groin Pain?
High avg HR / Inconsistent race results
Pelvic Symmetry Solutions
Hips, flat feet, and tight knee
FSA K-force seatpost as sol'n to pelvic asymmetry
Roadkill Worries
I live in an area that has lots of flat open roads, and as you can imagine, roadkill is a common sight in those areas. I work in a job field that places a high level of caution when handling airborn pathogens. This caution has lead me to inquire on the concerns one should have when passing roadkill. Can pathogens be transmitted from a two day old decaying carcass to a human who inhales while passing by? As many do I'm sure, I hold my breath if I can until I've passed, but on exerting rides this isn't practical or possible. Are my concerns valid?
Phil Newby, Indiana
Kelby Bethards replies:
Steve Hogg adds:
Singulair and exercise induced asthma
I was reading about allergies/EIA with interest, as it seems I have acquired EIA over the last few years, mainly in race situations, or extremely intense training situations. For instance, today I was working on 45 sec intervals, but was only able to complete 3 of them, because of the inability to breathe after each one, I think it was wearing my system down each time. I also had a mild episode during a race this past Sunday after a particularly hard counter-attack. (luckily I was able to hang on the back until I recovered once they caught me... waaah!)
When it first started happening, 2.5 years ago, my MD gave me an inhaler, but told me it was stress related, not really about the bike and exercise. So I didn't use the inhaler, because I didn't want to become dependant on something like that. However, the stress has been relieved, life is much better and I've had enough of these episodes now (and recently) that I want to do something about them.
When I go to my MD about this, is Singulair something that could help this? Anything else I should mention to him about EIA? Is there some other explaination for these symptoms that my MD should look into before prescribing an inhaler?
I have been taking Zyrtec and Flonase for 2 years for allergy relief, and that seems to work just fine as far as sinus stuff is concerned.
Kate J
Kelby Bethards replies:
Richard Stern adds:
Kelby Bethards adds:
Richard Stern adds:
Cleat position for track
Steve - Do you still recommend positioning the ball of your foot forward of the center of the pedal on a track bike?
More specifically for a pursuit shoe / bike set up?
Tom Denison
USA
Steve Hogg replies:
Achilles and knee pain
I'm a 30 yo male and I've been riding a bike (road) for about 1 year now, I raced some crits (D-C grade) over the summer in Melbourne. I recently upgraded to a new bike frame and took most of the measurements across from the old bike to the new (saddle height, saddle to bar drop, saddle setback etc). I typically ride about 150-250kms a week and according to my computer, average cadence for my rides is normally around 92-97.
About 2 weeks after getting the new bike, I started to notice some irritation around my Achilles tendon, left leg only - feels like the lateral side, inline, or just above the lateral malleolus. It seemed to be connected with some minor discomfort in the back of the knee, located in a medial posterior area.
After another week or 2 of this irritation and searching your site quite a bit, I decided to try moving the cleat position of my left shoe slightly (about 3mm) back. I went on one quite long ride after this, however the pain seemed much more amplified. I decided not to leave the cleat in that position because of the increase in pain. I am hesitant to move the cleat further forward, as they feel quite forward at the moment according to Steve Hogg's formula for fitting them.
After the moving the cleat back to its original position, I tried moving the saddle forward slightly (about 4-5mm), but didn't adjust seat height yet. The 'test ride' in this position was only 2 days after the painful one. There was a lot less irritation there, however some discomfort still remained. I had a week off the bike, thinking it might be a good time to let any inflammation die down. Having gone for another ride in this same, seat forward position, the discomfort has returned. On the second ride, I think I noticed a tendency to have ride sometimes with a "heel down" position, even on the upstroke with my left leg, and was wondering about raising the saddle slightly to compensate.
Sorry for the long post, however I wanted to give you as much information as possible. I guess in summary, the pain is only in my left leg, it seems to be in the Achilles tendon or the knee, rarely both at the same time. My left calf does seem to be quite tight - a massage does it wonders. The pain only seems to be there when I'm riding the bike, or happen to be walking on stairs just after riding, its not apparent when walking, running, nor is there any sign of swelling, discoloration etc.
Ashley Milne
Steve Hogg replies:
Strabismus
I have a question related to problems that might be caused by a rider having strabismus (crossed-eyes). In my case, I was born with severe strabismus that was corrected by surgery when I was an infant. As an adult, I do have some drift of my right eye (hypertropia or drifting up). My riding partners all comment about how I ride with my head tilted to the right. I believe this is caused by my eye condition. Here is the question: Because I ride with my head tilted to the right, can this cause neck pain? Have you ever heard of riders with this condition having neck problems? What can I do about it? Thanks.
Jim Jenkins
Kelby Bethards replies:
Jim responded:
Thanks for your reply. I believe the tilt is to get the visual input that I need. If I try to level my head, I get a strange off-balance feeling. The only thing I can say is try riding your bike with your head tilted to one side. That's what it's like. My neck hurts mostly on the left side below and behind my ear. Although it hurts all over sometimes, it is almost always in that location.
Kelby Bethards adds:
Dave Fleckenstein adds:
Jim asked:
By "less aggressive position," do you mean a shorter stem? More upright? Thanks.
Dave Fleckenstein replies:
Groin Pain?
I am a 33 year old male who began biking in the last several months, I ride a Specialized Allez Elite bike with Look clipless pedals. I have always been a good endurance athlete with agility. I was a D-1 football player and have been a runner most of my life culminating in finishing the 2003 NY Marathon. I took up biking due to nagging IT band problems, plantar fascia problems, etc. and decided to become a biker to save my body.
Anyway, I live in Central Pennsylvania in a very hilly area of the state. I have worked up to riding 4-5 days a week, averaging 1-2 hours per ride. I decided two weeks ago to go on a 3 hour plus ride and half way through this, I began to feel a sharp pain on my left side underneath my left testicle but more towards the point where my groin comes up to my pelvis. Almost feels like hamstring even though it could also be groin. Anyway, I had to finish but was very very tight and painful and worried I was going to rip something so coasted on and off in to the end.
I rested several days and iced the area and it seemed to go away so I began riding again but never as long as that ride. Every time I ride now, especially up any sort of hill and on the downstroke I feel this pain underneath the left side which progressively gets worse at the end of the ride but then seems to go away within a day or two prompting me to ride again.
I am frustrated that this won't go away and am wondering if it is irritation from poor pedaling technique as I definitely feel myself putting force on the downstroke on the left side and I was Serotta Fitted on my bike by a professional in town who did note that my left leg seems to flare out when I ride which may be putting pressure on my groin/hamstring. Anyway I needed some advice on this and wondered if you had heard of anything similar in novice riders? Thanks.
Andrew M. Joyner
Steve Hogg replies:
High avg HR / Inconsistent race results
I am a CAT 3, 27 years old , 5'10 155 lb and I come from a D1 swimming background so I have been competing competitively and some form or another all my life at endurance events.
My question relates to excessively high avg HR during races. This season, my form has been increasingly sporadic, one race I will be top 3 (RR) and the next RR I will get dropped (similar courses and field talent). I have looked at my HR files from the races and it appears that in all these races, even during descents, my HR fails to drop. This leaves me with an average HR over the course of 3-4 hours around 185 bpm, which is above my VT2. I have validated my HR monitor to make sure it wasn't mechanical error.
What appears is that during some races, once my HR crosses VT2, it never fails to come down. Almost like the accelerator is stuck. On a recent race, I gave one effort on a climb that lasted for around 7 minutes where my HR was 190. However, after the climb there is a freewheel descent and then just rolling flats. During this time I made sure to check my HR and even after 20 minutes my HR was still hovering at 180 even though my perceived rate of exertion was fairly low (I would say a 5 on a 10 point scale).
I am trying to pinpoint some causes to this (however difficult that may be) and wanted to see if there was any literature out that may point me in the right direction (i.e. diet, dehydration, over trained, sickness, etc.). I was diagnosed in college with exercise induced asthma but, at least initially, I don't think that this is related as I haven't had trouble breathing. I am sure this question is utterly impossible to answer, so I am more looking at a few areas that I could research. Thanks for your help. I, along with all the amateurs on this forum I am sure, really a appreciate the group's expertise and time in answering our questions.
Christopher Carey
Scott Saifer replies:
Pelvic Symmetry Solutions
In Steve Hogg's article, The Problem of Pelvic Symmetry, he speaks of a solution to pelvic symmetry was improving flexibility and core strength. However there is no mention of specific exercises and stretches to target to do this. Mr. Hogg, if you could outline a plan to follow in order to correct this problem I believe it would be helpful to everyone.
Nick Sparler
Steve Hogg replies:
Hips, flat feet, and tight knee
Background: I am 34 and been racing for almost 17 years and never really had bike fit issues. Last year I crashed hard and ruined my frame. Differences in top tube and angle (73.25 to 74 degree) were handled with a different seat post and a different stem. The problem started with the cranks. I went from the old Dura-Ace low profile to the new 10 speed cranks. I found my ankle hit the crank on the 10 speed. Couple this with new Time pedals going from the old style Time Equip, I decided on a professional fitting.
For my whole life, my right foot has had a pretty pronounced pronation. I have orthotics in my street shoes. I have good flexibility from doing yoga for the last three years. My team is sponsored by a chiropractor and I have needed more than normal adjustments to my hips since the fitting. Before the fitting I only needed periodic adjustment and it was always to my right hip which mostly would get tilted up. I also needed to stretch my gluteus more than normal; I have since learned these were likely side effects from my right foot pronation that I had been riding with for all these years.
The bike fitting involved inserting some foot beds into my Sidi Genius shoes and the use of LeMond wedges. Two on the right foot to correct the pronation and two on the left side to make my knee track perfectly straight. This was a major change and I put some miles in knowing it was going to take some getting used to. I soon found myself with chronic foot pain across the top of my feet and across my ankles. I was constantly asking my wife to please twist and "crack" my feet to relive the pressure - more on my right side. I also found myself walking on the outer edge of my left foot and had numbness in my right leg. My chiropractor recommended removing the wedges since I never had foot problems before. This relived the foot pain but then my pronation returned. The foot beds seem to provide enough support to prevent my ankle from hitting the crank but I found my knee falling in (like it always has) and I suppose you are not surprised to find I had IT band issues within two rides. I also experienced pain on the underside of my right foot. I was diagnosed with a strain of my hip flexors and IT band but by the time I was able to see a PT it cleared up but the PT found my right gluteus medius and minimus are really weak - I imagine from all the years of having my right knee fall in. I am currently doing exercises to correct this. In the meantime, I am still having major problems with my bike fit on my right side.
As soon as I got the IT band issues, I put one wedge back on the right side and my chiropractor added small heel wedge which at the time stabilized my foot and relieved the IT band. Now several weeks latter, I am experiencing tightness in my right knee, some right foot discomfort, and right hip tightness/discomfort.
Steve Hogg often asks the following so I figured I would address them right away. Note this is with one LeMond wedge and heel wedge on my right foot.
1.. My right leg feels more powerful then my left but does not seem as smooth.
2.. I am attempting to verify this, but I believe that my right thigh is slightly closer to the seat post then my left.
Any recommendations would be appreciated. I am leaning toward in addition to my pronation, a leg length issue. Thank you in advance for your help.
Kevin Kirsch
Steve Hogg replies:
Kevin responded:
Thank you for getting back to me, I am sure I speak for many cyclists when I say thanks for all the advice over the years in various articles and columns. In writing you, it allowed me to step through the fitting and adjustment sequence I have gone through. It became clear to me that the problem started with the wedges under the cleats.
To address your questions: I have a record of my old position - I still have my old crashed bike hanging in the basement with the old pedals. I am on a new frame but the major changes were the cranks and pedals. I thought about trying my old pedals but Time does not make them anymore so it seemed like a relative short term fix until I wore the cleats out. Thanks for the discussion on Q-factor and I agree it looks like pedals and cranks cancel each other out.
Since I wrote you, I had a fitting with my chiropractor. The results indicate I do sit square on the saddle and both my legs are equidistant from the seat post. I do not drop a hip. I assume that a leg length discrepancy would show itself through one leg being closer to the seat post then the other or not sitting square on the saddle? If not, my chiropractor will take x-rays if you thinks it prudent.
What my chiropractor did was remove the last wedge from under my right cleat and increased the size of the wedge in my right heel. The heel wedge stabilized my heel in the shoe and prevented my foot from pronating. I then raced a criterium that night (I know not the smartest thing) and everything felt awesome. My legs felt more supple and I could spin. Overnight, my knee pain was gone, my right hip felt "loose", and my foot pain was gone. The next day I went on an 140k zone 1/2 ride and everything felt even better. My right knee tracks fairly straight and my foot does not pronate and thus does not hit the crank. I have some muscle soreness but not localized quad soreness like before. It feels like I am using my hamstrings more again which likely accounts for the better spin and smoother pedaling. My right leg also no longer feels stronger.
In the opinion of my chiropractor, it is best to address the flat feet issue at the heel and not the ball of the foot. This definitely appears to be the case for me. Frankly, I am amazed at how many problems were created by some small wedges under my cleat. Given the last few days of riding I think I have resolved my issue - I will need to ride more to be sure. Also, so others may avoid the problems I have had, perhaps some discussion on wedging at the cleat or heel is warranted. I am not going to argue with success but I do not completely understand why this worked. My theory is that the wedge at the cleat created a force on the knee. As an example, just role your foot to the outside edge and you may feel a slight pull on the knee. Overtime, this problem also moved into my hips and then back. The pain in my foot was created by putting pressure down with each pedal stroke and effectively twisting the foot at the ankle ever so slightly due to the angle created by the wedge at the cleat. I suppose the use of wedges at the cleat arose since most force is transferred through the ball of the foot while pedaling but perhaps this is a false assumption since as you have pointed out in a previous article, stiff cycling shoes make the foot more comfortable. Should we be looking more to the heel to correct pronation problems? The only other solution I can think of is to wedge at my arch inside the shoe but the heel is where most orthotics do it.
Steve Hogg replies:
FSA K-force seatpost as sol'n to pelvic asymmetry
Thanks for the clarification.
I just discovered your fitness forum on CyclingNews.com and have read thru much of the last year or two. Great stuff!
Rather than any one race, I have set my main season goal as getting myself as comfortable, efficient, and powerful on the bike as possible. I would appreciate you considering my case and giving me any insight you can.
I am a 42 y.o. USCF Cat 3 crit racer and newbie track racer (what fun!). Height = 183.6 cm, Weight = 87 kg, Inseam = 84.2 cm. Carnac Quartz = 44.5 Current saddle height = 75.8 cm (center of crank bolt to top of saddle measured along seat tube).
I have good core strength and hamstring flexibility (palms flat on floor easily), but somewhat tight ITBs. Long history of lower back soreness while riding and in daily life, including herniated discs in 2001 (S1/L5, L4/L5 - no surgery, phys. therapy resolved acute pain, I do daily "press-ups" for rearward back mobility - similar to yoga Cobra position).
I have for years had a pronounced right heel wiggle using Speedplay X pedals. This quickly wears out the cleat springs (and pedals!), leading to side-to-side foot rocking and achilles tendon soreness. I also have felt my left and right halves "fighting" each other.
This Spring I have been videoing myself on a trainer to improve my positioning and found that both knees tracked outward on the upstroke, with the right flicking inward on the downstroke, producing the heel wiggle. The video also revealed a rather violent hip and lower back rocking: the right side dropping and returning to level on each pedal stroke -- no wonder my back hurts when I hammer! From the rear I appear to sit on the saddle shifted to the right. My shorts show wear spots on both sides of crotch (meaty thighs), but the right side is forward of the left, which indicates my right hip is rotating forward, right? And while riding I find the same is true: it feels like my right sit bone is out of place, i.e. not on the meat of the saddle like the left sit bone. Since discovering this, I try scooch my right hip back to sit more squarely on the saddle, which feels weird now but I hope will become natural eventually. Or will I always sit cock-eyed? I found your left-brain-engaged-by-cycling article quite insightful.
I did my best to measure leg lengths and found at most a 5 mm difference (right leg shorter, mostly in the lower leg). Using the Lemond Fitness varus measuring device, we found minor right foot varus and left valgus, both small enough require only 0-1 wedges.
Despite appearing to not have significant varus/valgus, in an attempt to even my knees WRT the top tube (right knee closer on downstroke), I experimented with varying LeMond Wedges left and right, plus shims for my shorter right leg. The wedges would seem to feel better immediately, but over a few rides felt less stable during harder efforts. I eventually removed the wedges and now have only 3mm of shim on right cleat, nothing on left side.
During this time I was raising my saddle to stop my knees' outward movement on the upstroke - additionally, side-view videoing showed that my max. leg extension was ~40-42 degrees instead of the 32+/- degrees recommended by Pruitt and others. To get under 35 deg, I have raised my saddle (gradually over time) from 75.0 cm to 75.8 cm and may go several mm's higher if no problems arise.
Once I believed the right foot wiggle had lessened, I bought a pair of Speedplay Zero pedals. I started with the float as open as possible and have gradually tightened it down, allowing for my slight toe-out stance. My goal is to use reduced float to restrain the remaining wiggle. Is this a bad idea?
After reading your articles on rearward cleat placement WRT first metatarsal, I checked mine and moved the cleats back ~3 mm on the shoe so the first metatarsal is ~10 mm ahead of the pedal spindle with cranks level and heel level with pedal to the ground (video shows that is my actual foot position under load). My feet immediately felt more solidly connected to the pedals!! It has only been the one ride, so I hope the new cleat position proves out over time.
WRT my foot position with cranks level: Is heel parallel with pedal okay, or sign of a position error such as saddle too far back? By heel parallel to pedal I mean the rear half of my Carnac is parallel to the ground and the plane of the cleat is nose-up quite a bit.
To summarize after all the gyrations, I have raised my saddle 8 mm to 75.8 cm, put a 3 mm shim under right shoe, and set cleat fore-aft per your recommendation. And I am trying to keep my sit bones feeling symmetrical on the saddle.
Am I on track or just flailing uselessly? Any thoughts you have would be most appreciated.
Barry
Steve Hogg replies: