Fitness questions and answers for February 25, 2009
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Carrie Cheadle, MA (www.carriecheadle.com) is a Sports Psychology consultant who has dedicated her career to helping athletes of all ages and abilities perform to their potential. Carrie specialises in working with cyclists, in disciplines ranging from track racing to mountain biking. She holds a bachelors degree in Psychology from Sonoma State University as well as a masters degree in Sport Psychology from John F. Kennedy University.
Jon Heidemann (www.peaktopeaktraining.com) is a USAC Elite Certified cycling coach with a BA in Health Sciences from the University of Wyoming. The 2001 Masters National Road Champion has competed at the Elite level nationally and internationally for over 14 years. As co-owner of Peak to Peak Training Systems, Jon has helped athletes of all ages earn over 84 podium medals at National & World Championship events during the past 8 years.
Dave Palese (www.davepalese.com) is a USA Cycling licensed coach and masters' class road racer with 16 years' race experience. He coaches racers and riders of all abilities from his home in southern Maine, USA, where he lives with his wife Sheryl, daughter Molly, and two cats, Miranda and Mu-Mu.
Kelby Bethards, MD received a Bachelor of Science in Electrical Engineering from Iowa State University (1994) before obtaining an M.D. from the University of Iowa College of Medicine in 2000. Has been a racing cyclist 'on and off' for 20 years, and when time allows, he races Cat 3 and 35+. He is a team physician for two local Ft Collins, CO, teams, and currently works Family Practice in multiple settings: rural, urgent care, inpatient and the like.
Fiona Lockhart (www.trainright.com) is a USA Cycling Expert Coach, and holds certifications from USA Weightlifting (Sports Performance Coach), the National Strength and Conditioning Association (Certified Strength and Conditioning Coach), and the National Academy for Sports Nutrition (Primary Sports Nutritionist). She is the Sports Science Editor for Carmichael Training Systems, and has been working in the strength and conditioning and endurance sports fields for over 10 years; she's also a competitive mountain biker.
Eddie Monnier (www.velo-fit.com) is a USA Cycling certified Elite Coach and a Category II racer. He holds undergraduate degrees in anthropology (with departmental honors) and philosophy from Emory University and an MBA from The Wharton School of Business.
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Eddie is a proponent of training with power. He coaches cyclists (track, road and mountain bike) of all abilities and with wide ranging goals (with and without power meters). He uses internet tools to coach riders from any geography.
David Fleckenstein, MPT (www.physiopt.com) is a physical therapist practicing in Boise, ID. His clients have included World and U.S. champions, Olympic athletes and numerous professional athletes. He received his B.S. in Biology/Genetics from Penn State and his Master's degree in Physical Therapy from Emory University. He specializes in manual medicine treatment and specific retraining of spine and joint stabilization musculature. He is a former Cat I road racer and Expert mountain biker.
Since 1986 Steve Hogg (www.cyclefitcentre.com) has owned and operated Pedal Pushers, a cycle shop specialising in rider positioning and custom bicycles. In that time he has positioned riders from all cycling disciplines and of all levels of ability with every concievable cycling problem. Clients range from recreational riders and riders with disabilities to World and National champions.
Current riders that Steve has positioned include Davitamon-Lotto's Nick Gates, Discovery's Hayden Roulston, National Road Series champion, Jessica Ridder and National and State Time Trial champion, Peter Milostic.
Pamela Hinton has a bachelor's degree in Molecular Biology and a doctoral degree in Nutritional Sciences, both from the University of Wisconsin-Madison. She did postdoctoral training at Cornell University and is now an assistant professor of Nutritional Sciences at the University of Missouri-Columbia where she studies the effects of iron deficiency on adaptations to endurance training and the consequences of exercise-associated changes in menstrual function on bone health.
Pam was an All-American in track while at the UW. She started cycling competitively in 2003 and is the defending Missouri State Road Champion. Pam writes a nutrition column for Giana Roberge's Team Speed Queen Newsletter.
Dario Fredrick (www.wholeathlete.com) is an exercise physiologist and head coach for Whole Athlete™. He is a former category 1 & semi-pro MTB racer. Dario holds a masters degree in exercise science and a bachelors in sport psychology.
Scott Saifer (www.wenzelcoaching.com) has a Masters Degree in exercise physiology and sports psychology and has personally coached over 300 athletes of all levels in his 10 years of coaching with Wenzel Coaching.
Kendra Wenzel (www.wenzelcoaching.com) is a head coach with Wenzel Coaching with 17 years of racing and coaching experience and is coauthor of the book Bike Racing 101.
Steve Owens (www.coloradopremiertraining.com) is a USA Cycling certified coach, exercise physiologist and owner of Colorado Premier Training. Steve has worked with both the United States Olympic Committee and Guatemalan Olympic Committee as an Exercise Physiologist. He holds a B.S. in Exercise & Sports Science and currently works with multiple national champions, professionals and World Cup level cyclists.
Through his highly customized online training format, Steve and his handpicked team of coaches at Colorado Premier Training work with cyclists and multisport athletes around the world.
Richard Stern (www.cyclecoach.com) is Head Coach of Richard Stern Training, a Level 3 Coach with the Association of British Cycling Coaches, a Sports Scientist, and a writer. He has been professionally coaching cyclists and triathletes since 1998 at all levels from professional to recreational. He is a leading expert in coaching with power output and all power meters. Richard has been a competitive cyclist for 20 years
Andy Bloomer (www.cyclecoach.com) is an Associate Coach and sport scientist with Richard Stern Training. He is a member of the Association of British Cycling Coaches (ABCC) and a member of the British Association of Sport and Exercise Sciences (BASES). In his role as Exercise Physiologist at Staffordshire University Sports Performance Centre, he has conducted physiological testing and offered training and coaching advice to athletes from all sports for the past 4 years. Andy has been a competitive cyclist for many years.
Michael Smartt (www.wholeathlete.com) is an Associate Coach with Whole Athlete. He holds a Masters degree in exercise physiology, is a USA Cycling Level I (Elite) Coach and is certified by the NSCA (Certified Strength and Conditioning Specialist). Michael has more than 10 years competitive experience, primarily on the road, but also in cross and mountain biking. He is currently focused on coaching road cyclists from Jr. to elite levels, but also advises triathletes and Paralympians. Michael is a strong advocate of training with power and has over 5 years experience with the use and analysis of power meters. Michael also spent the 2007 season as the Team Coach for the Value Act Capital Women's Cycling Team.
Earl Zimmermann (www.wenzelcoaching.com) has over 12 years of racing experience and is a USA Cycling Level II Coach. He brings a wealth of personal competitive experience to his clients. He coaches athletes from beginner to elite in various disciplines including road and track cycling, running and triathlon.
Advice presented in Cyclingnews' fitness pages is provided for educational purposes only and is not intended to be specific advice for individual athletes. If you follow the educational information found on Cyclingnews, you do so at your own risk. You should consult with your physician before beginning any exercise program.
Stretching and flexibility
Knee brushing top tube
Eating on the bike
Power pedaling problems
Donating blood
Heel drop and hamstring pain
Uneven saddle wear
Leg length discrepancy/ITBS
Junior cyclist coaching
Stretching and flexibility
I'm a firm believer that flexibility (or lack of) is the cause of many cycling issues. I bought 'Stretching and Flexibility' as recommended by Steve Hogg. My question is: What are the 'must do' stretches (they're numbered) for cyclists from the book? I couldn't possibly do every stretch shown in the book, but I certainly could find time for a short list.
Maybe that list could be added to his website for reference. Forgive me if that list is already there and I missed it!
Jim Breen
Massachusetts, USA
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Dario Fredrick replies:
Knee brushing top tube
Returning from a right fractured patella six months ago, I find my left leg inwardly angled and brushing the top tube in my normal position. My right leg is good although still without regaining normal muscle size after injury. I have left anterior hip and left low back/gluteal soreness after riding. I also notice significantly less power from the left, (my polar power readings confirm this). I notice if I rotate my saddle slightly to the left my left leg appears straighter.
During my six months lay off, I did a lot of landscaping, shovelling, etc, using my right side. Would I have a muscle imbalance causing this problem? How should I proceed? I am a competitive road cyclist of 15 years at 45 years of age.
Rob Gaggini
Adelaide, Australia
Steve Hogg replies:
Eating on the bike
Thanks for all your tips in Cycling News. I emailed you recently about whether a fixed cleat position might not be preferable at times to a floating one, and you encouraged me to continue exploring options before I would accept that conclusion. Indeed you were right: changing cleat position and adding a wedge really made a difference and I'm riding completely knee pain-free in the cold months for the first time that I can remember.
My newest curiosity has to do with a comment you made in the Feb 18 edition of the Fitness Q&A column, in which you wrote: "...most riders can absorb something closer to 250-325 Calories per hour, with larger and fitter riders able to absorb more."
This implied two things to me:
1. Not only does eating too much food make a person nauseated, it doesn't improve performance because the body can't process it fast enough.
2. That the recommendations on most energy bar products about calorie uptake are on the generous side. My brand, for instance (240 calories per bar) suggests eating one every half hour and supplementing it with gel packs every 15 minutes. That would total something like 800-900 calories per hour - more than the body can process (for, say, a relatively fit rider, 6'2" and 168 pounds) than you suggest.
I would love for you to expand on this topic. Thanks again.
Andrew Oborn
Portland, OR
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Eddie Monnier replies:
Power pedaling problems
I am 32 and am in my third year of cycling. Finally I feel I am able to compete with the guys at the top level locally here in Thor Hushovd's backyard in Grimstad Norway - that is, when Thor is not riding!
I train about 12 hours a week divided over five or six days. I do about two interval sessions a week and the rest is primarily base training now during wintertime. I am wanting to supplement my current regime with a bit more powertraining. I feel that it could benefit my TT and max power output, and give me that little extra that I need to take teh next step. However when I try to do powerpedaling with low cadence and high resistance I tend to get knee problems after a couple of weeks. I figure it is probably better to drop it if it is hurting me more than it is gaining me. Is there anything I can do to replace this training, or any other way I can do it that is more gentle on the knees?
Michael Morland
Grimstad, Norway
Scott Saifer replies:
Donating blood
A follow up question to Scott Saifer's response about donating blood... Recently I started donating plasma. Could you explain the implications for donating plasma on any serious cycling training regiments? You are also able to donate plasma much more frequently (once every two weeks, as opposed to once every three months for whole blood). Any recommendations on the frequency for donating plasma?
Chris Hui
Melbourne, Australia
Scott Saifer replies:
Heel drop and hamstring pain
I'm a 23 year-old male Cat 4 racer, in the middle of base training for the 2009 season.
Recently, I've been dealing with a strain in the medial hamstring group of my right leg, where it attaches to my knee. My doctor has given me a treatment plan, so I've got that well in hand, but now I'm starting to think about the cause. Here are the facts:
1. This injury first cropped up a few weeks ago on the rollers. I've never experienced a knee injury of this kind before, and I've had a few. Thanks to previous experience, I've avoided making this one worse by pushing too hard, so it's been irritated rather than painful. The damage isn't too serious yet. I have already raised my saddle a bit (I stupidly dropped it when the injury first appeared).
2. In January, I moved my saddle forward by several mm. I had been well behind KOPS - as in, close to two cm behind KOPS - and wanted to see if I could get more comfort by being more directly over the BB.
3. I've had a long-standing sensation on my right foot of not being able to get my cleat back far enough, even though my feet are the same size. Obviously, the problem is not that the left shoe has greater adjustability for cleat position than the right. Yet, this sensation persists.
4. I noticed on my ride home today that, while my left ankle remains relatively stable and my foot angle relatively consistent throughout the pedal stroke without effort, I have a distinct tendency to drop my right heel on the down stroke of that pedal. It takes some focus to maintain a relatively stiff ankle and avoid dropping my heel - that is, I must activate the muscles of my lower leg to do this. On the left, no such effort is required. Focusing on not dropping my right heel makes pedaling feel better.
5. I have flat feet, and my right foot appears to have greater pronation than my left. I am using OTC orthotics, which has essentially erased previous knee pain associated with over-pronation.
So, here's my hypothesis: my injury is the result of this tendency to drop my right heel under power, which of course puts more strain on my hamstrings. My over-pronation might explain why the injured part is my medial hamstring group, rather than the strain being more evenly distributed. My saddle being so much further back would explain this not being a problem in the past, since this would effectively change the vector of the pedaling force through my leg and require me to pull my heel up as I pushed the pedal over the top and through the downstroke, making both for a reduced "cantilever effect" on the end of my foot (so less force for my ankle to resist) and causing me to keep my toes pointed enough to avoid straining my hamstring.
The tendency of my ankle to "give way" when balancing on the ball of my foot or just behind it, as you effectively must do when putting the power down on the pedal, would explain the unbalanced feeling of my right foot, even with the cleat rammed all the way back on the shoe. If this is correct, sensible treatments would include raising the saddle even a bit more to encourage me to keep my heel higher than my toes, and more importantly, strengthening whatever it is that is deficient in my right ankle, be it muscles/tendons or just the neural pathway involved in keeping that ankle immobile. Continuing to improve hamstring flexibility would also be a smart preventative measure.
So, here are my questions for you:
1. Could this be correct? Is my understanding of the physiological and fit issues going on here sensible, and does this explanation account for the symptoms I've been experiencing?
2. Is this something you've heard of before, and are there effective exercises to strengthen my ankle and prevent further injury?
3. Do you have any other thoughts, questions or suggestions?
Greg Colby
Steve Hogg replies:
Uneven saddle wear
I have several bikes, similarly set up, and several pairs of shorts. In each case, the right side of my saddle seems to drop after a while and the right side of shorts wears more - do I need a shim under one of my shoes? It's getting a bit expensive!
Michael Matar
Steve Hogg replies:
Leg length discrepancy/ITBS
I have learned a lot from you guys and would like just a little more. This is a two part question, the first to help me with chronic IT band pain and the second to continue discussion on foot wedges.
First I would like your help recommending shims to correct a leg length discrepancy. This will be my 4th year racing, I'm 6' 0" with 34.5" inseam, 165-175lbs, Cat 2, a little bit flat footed, and very flexible. I ride 8-10,00 miles a year, usually in two or three 3-5 month blocks with long breaks in between; I'm inconsistent. I need the cleats right under the ball of my foot to feel that my leg is aligned. I've always had recurrent knee pain, especially ITBS on my right knee, though with a lot of stretching I can usually ride pain free for a month or two. This time of the year in the build up to the racing season is always hard. My right leg is stronger than my left (as evidenced through one-leg pedalling drills), and in the past I know I was guilty of dropping the right hip. I've been working deliberately to keep my hips level and pedal smoother circles for a year now, and I am much more stable on the bike, but still have periodic swelling of the right IT band. I have had left knee pain but only once or twice and goes away quickly.
I had suspected a leg length discrepancy because I used to need the right cleat further forward than the left to ease the IT stress. I finally had my girlfriend look at my legs with my back/hips against a wall and it became very obvious that my right leg is slightly less than a centimetre shorter, just in the lower leg. My femurs are the same length. So it adds up to me that since my right leg is overextending, the LLD is causing the IT stress, even now that I'm not dropping my hips so much. I'm nervous about experimenting with shims now because I have some heavy weeks planned and racing starts in April. On the other hand, I feel like shimming my right cleat could end this chronic issue and so I'm very interested. I think I've read that shims should be as thick as half the leg length difference. What can you recommend about this process?
Secondly, I have a little to share about my experiences with shoes. I started Specialized road and mountain shoes with a varus wedge. I had to pedal with my heels in, so much so that they brushed the crank arms, and my knees were far from the top tube. I never could get the cleats in a comfortable place for my knees, though after a painful winter of adjustments I could usually be stable for the duration of the spring racing season, as I mentioned above.
Three seasons later I bought Shimano mountain bike shoes to replace my Specialized mountain bike shoes, and was able to ride with my feet straight and experienced much less knee pain, so I avoided my road shoes until I could buy a non-varus wedge pair, which were Adidas, a few weeks ago. These shoes had a foam shim under the insole on the lateral side of the shoe, creating a valgus wedge. Wearing these shoes, my knees were so far in that they brushed the top tube and my heels wanted to be significantly further out than neutral. I removed the lateral shim and they now feel flat and neutral like the Shimano shoes, my knees move straight up and down. I feel like there's a very linear relationship for me between knee and foot position and the angle of my shoe's sole, is this the case for the majority of riders? I see clearly how you could use this to correct positions for some riders, but my experience leads me to be very cautious with any canting of the foot.
Thanks in advance for any input, and apologies for the lack of brevity.
Brian Williams
Missoula, MT
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Junior cyclist coaching
I have a son, just turned 13 in Feb '09, that has an interest in cycling. He raced in a mountain bike series in 2008 and won his age group for the series. He entered one road race - Tour de FCC in PA - and came in third overall and winning the crit stage (race consisted on a road race, TT, and crit). I just found out that two of the kids he beat in the crit came in second and 18th in the nationals, for 2008.
I know nothing about cycling and can not keep up with him. Would a coach be appropriate for his age or should I just let him enjoy riding with me at my pace. If you think he should have a coach could you suggest a few for his you age? Thanks.
Phil Mago
Dario Fredrick replies: